The Fundamental Response to Using the NASV and “Election”

  • AT THE END OF THIS POST I WILL BRIEFLY STATE MY POSITION:

    A few days ago I put one of my sermon outlines on Fundamental Baptist Sermon Outlines Facebook
    page.  From I Peter 1:1-2 and I used the NASV reading of the text. And as a result of this there was
    a feedback from some Fundamental KJV only men who took issue with me on the subject of Election,
    using the NASV and with my position on Calvinism.
    HERE ARE THE REMARKS. I received today from those who are very typical
    Fundamental KJV only men.
    Terry Wilson Election (aka Calvinist) doctrine? NASB?
  • Charles E. Whisnant “Elect according to the foreknowledge of God….” KJV sorry about that Terry Wilson.
    I preach expositional word by word. I was just trying to understand the “elect”. Did I get it wrong?
  • Kris Kamwah Chan The Elect are Israel. It is very rare that elect is used for anything other than Israel.Unless you’re reformed/calvinist.
  • Terry Wilson Yes. That is true. The outline and accompanying statements clearly indicated a persuasion
    of Calvinist belief. Thus my questions. I was asking if that was the intent. The NASB question was due to the fact that I thought this was a King James Bible forum. That is all.
  • Brandon Craig Long This is a forum for the Authorized Version if I am not mistaken. The NASB is Not A Safe Bible
  • Gilbert J. SiscarGentiles are not included in the election, only the Jews. However,
    the Calvinist doctrine of selective sanctification is contrary to the Fundamental
    doctrine of grace of God for all, “whosoever will”come to Him. The coming
    of Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the promised Messiah who paved
    the way for all men to have access of justification by faith in the crucified
    and resurrected Christ,through His abundant grace and mercy, and no
    longer limited to Jews. Apostle Paul in his epistle to Galatians, “26
    For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you
    as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither
    Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female:
    for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”(Gal. 3:26-28, KJV) Thus, election mean
    here is those who become the sons of God,by adoption thru Jesus Christ,
    we become elected to conform in the image of His Son,
    Jesus Christ. (See Eph. 1:5-10). Thank you.
  • Charles E. Whisnant 1 Peter 1:1-2New King James Version (NKJV)See More
  • Charles E. Whisnant Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus,
    Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia. Elect according to the foreknowledge of God
    the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling
    of the blood of Jesus Christ. Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
    KJV
  • Gilbert J. Siscar The “whosoever believed in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life” Isn’t this the
    phrase in John 3:16, the heart of the Bible. wasn’t that Christ died for the world, not only the selected few?
  • Charles E. Whisnant Read the text, explain the text, admonish the text, apply the text is my pattern of
    preaching the Word. By purpose only. But the verse does say “Elect according to the foreknowledge oF
    f God.” And I am bound to give an understanding of the text. I was not trying to teach anything tha
    t was not Biblical. And you interpret the text with scripture and that was what I was trying to do. Brandon Craig Long.
  • Charles E. Whisnant This site I am sure want not design for this. Sorry Brad Hastings I will be
    more careful about this the next time.
  • Terry Wilson Mr. Whisnant, what is the point of the redundancy of this? Are you or are you not a
    Calvinist? Simple yes or no. And this is indeed a King James only page. You should read the
    administrator’s instructions and guidelines. Feel free to use perversions of the Word if you wish.But please respect those of us who don’t. God bless.
  • Gilbert J. Siscar God’s omniscience allow Him to see people who would deny and accept Him, long
    before they are born. Thus, the foreknowledge of God who will become His’ are the product of
    individual person’s decision, not God’s selection.
  • Charles E. Whisnant The outline was simply verses. You didn’t here the sermon that came from
    the outline. And Elect was in the verse, KJV too.
  • Charles E. Whisnant For 50 years I have open the Bible to preach from the KJV. But when
    I study in preparation I do use helps, tools that are going to help me better understand the text.
  • Charles E. Whisnant My websites, and educational studies, and Facebook are all open to
    the public to see. I do not try to hide what I believe. I study from many resources, those
    I agree with and those that I have questions about. I am commit to teach the text as to what the author meant when he said it.
  • Terry Wilson You are dodging my question. Are you a Calvinist? Simple. And now
    I have another….how do YOU know what “the author” meant about anything?For more than 400 years the King James Bible has been sufficient for teaching, preaching,instruction and the salvation of souls as they have been drawn of the Holy Ghost upon hearingthe gospel. I believe I’ll stick to what God has ordained.
  • Brad Hastings Gentlemen, please take this to your personal messenger to continue this ongoing discussion. Thank you.
  • Charles E. Whisnant Thank you Brad Hastings I am shocked that I cause this trouble. I am very sorry.
  • Terry Wilson LOL!!!! Pullleeeaaasseee… No answer. No….answer…..
  • Kris Kamwah Chan For someone who has been preaching and teaching so long you sure
    are clueless (no offense) to false doctrine and theology. Not to mention you keep skipping
    from bible version to version like a game of hop, skip, jump which makes me question your
    motives for being here as you contionously say you try and explain the text, WHICH TEXT?!If you arent calvinist, you’d be happy telling us some of the authors you study from.Brandon, long live the albigenses, anabaptists etc etc.
    For the record, Mr. Whisnant IMed me and, after a haughty condescension and quoting from several
    of man’s books, admitted to being a Calvinist who uses many, many perversions of the Word of God.
    Ok…God bless you all. I am moving along. And sticking to the Truth and my King James Bible
    from which I shall, by the grace of God, preach as I have for many years.
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    SO WHAT DO I BELIEVE AND WHAT IS MY THEOLOGICAL POSITION:
    1.  I hold to the Doctrine of Grace; or the Sovereign of God, or as it is sometimes called TULIP
    TULIP1 There are many of the Reformers that I agree with in many ways.
    I do like John Calvin and Martin Luther. The Calvinist position on
    Salvation is what I believe.
    There are other points that I do not agree with.
    I believe that Israel is not the new Church.
    I believe that there is yet a future for the elect group of Jews. Romans 11.
    I believe Revelation is literal. There is going to be a Rapture of
    the church of believers
    I believe there is going to be a 7 year tribulation and the church
    will be rapture out.
    I believe all believers are in the Body of Christ but that there is the local church where God has
    called Elders and Pastor/Teachers to head up the church. Ephesians 4
    I believe there is going to be a 1000 year Kingdom of God where Jesus Christ will be on the throne.
    I believe in baptism upon been born again.
    I don’t believe in church baptist baptism.
    I believe you can know that you are born again by the Spirit of Christ.
    I believe salvation occur when the Spirit of God through the Holy Spirit invades the dead spirit of a man
    and brings out of his dead spirit Ephesians 2 and brings new live in him.
    I believe that the KJV is a great and wonderful translation but that is what it is a good translation.
    I believe the best kind of preaching and teaching is to teach it book by book, chapter by chapter.
    I believe that worship only occurs where the Spirit of Christ is.
    I don’t like the term “Will you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior” to a sinner when he has no idea
    what that means. I believe that a sinner needs to hear the whole Gospel of Jesus Christ and
    let the Spirit of Christ draw him unto Himself.
    I don’t believe that only Fundamental Baptist came be saved.
    I believe in the authority of the Word of God, and the Word is the very Word of God, given to men
    by the Spirit of God and allowed to put say it in their tone. Matthew wrote different then Luke but they
    both wrote and the Holy Spirit gave them the liberty.
    All the Bible is true.

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